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mikelepore
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Posted: 26 Jan 2006 06:40 am Post subject: Fascism

What is fascism? Is society moving toward it? _______________________________________________ The following list of links may be edited in the future: This interesting article says than analysis of seven fascist regimes reveals fourteen common characteristics.... http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=britt_23_2

questing

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Posted: 09 Jan 2007 01:42 am Post subject:

It's moving towards a liberal fascism. Example would be that "minorities" are used as thugs to terrorise the working class. If one even questions anything, they are "racist," and thereby not worthy of discussion. That's how the capitalists have the "left" by the goolies: The "left" can only think in racial terms, which is why they attack Condi Rice by calling her stupid terms such as "oreo." Her being an agent for fascism is not even considered. The "left" is content to have its militant mammies and radical Rochesters, that way it doesn't have to confront its own classism. Instead, it pretends that ALL "white people" have some such common interest in oppressing ALL "persons of colour." Class differences are glossed over.

questing

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Posted: 09 Jan 2007 08:48 pm Post subject:

Think of it as a domestic version of what the capitalists are doing in Iraq. They are promoting tribalism, witness Iraq dividing into warring cantons. Marx talked of "progressive imperialism," the above must be REGRESSIVE imperialism. Getting rid of sati was progressive. In the neo-liberal "respect for indigenous cultures," the new liberal racialism has allowed Hinduism to export its "karma," a most malignant idea of hereditary casteism that makes Calvinism look almost mild.

mikelepore
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Posted: 10 Jan 2007 08:49 am Post subject:

Where did you encounter those leftist references to race? I don't circulate too much, so I didn't know it was going on. (Throwing the term "racist" when people disagree with something. Or saying that the Secretary of State is an Oreo.) But I do have my own peeves about how "progressives" refer to race. For one thing, I think the term African American is silly. When other groups, say, Italian Americans, usually retain the adjective for about two generations, it's odd for one group to stay 'hyphenated' for a large number of generations, as a matter of principle, after full cultural assimilation. Also, the left just seems unable to let go of the old categories, even though so much progress has already been made against race prejudice that people are more likely to be discriminated against today for being too short or too soft-spoken or wearing the wrong fabrics or any of a hundred other reasons. Several other aspects I have discussed before in this forum, namely, that I'm against "affirmative action", and that I think the proposal for "reparations" is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard.

questing

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Posted: 12 Jan 2007 04:30 am Post subject:

mikelepore wrote:

Where did you encounter those leftist references to race? I don't circulate too much, so I didn't know it was going on. (Throwing the term "racist" when people disagree with something. Or saying that the Secretary of State is an Oreo.)

But I do have my own peeves about how "progressives" refer to race. For one thing, I think the term African American is silly. When other groups, say, Italian Americans, usually retain the adjective for about two generations, it's odd for one group to stay 'hyphenated' for a large number of generations, as a matter of principle, after full cultural assimilation.

Also, the left just seems unable to let go of the old categories, even though so much progress has already been made against race prejudice that people are more likely to be discriminated against today for being too short or too soft-spoken or wearing the wrong fabrics or any of a hundred other reasons.

Several other aspects I have discussed before in this forum, namely, that I'm against "affirmative action", and that I think the proposal for "reparations" is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard.

I encounter the liberal/"left" references to race many places on the net, do a search. Interesting side note, that foolishness is driving people to the right. Example: There is a movement to acknowledge the blending of humanity and promoting the idea of race not being the primary factor in human relations. Thing is, they tend to skew right and blame "Marxists" for everything, including quite a few things an actual student of Marx would disapprove of as well, such as "affirmative action" and promotion of tribalism. I take a dialectical view of race myself, as opposed to those I encounter who either wish enforce a rigid, Popperian view of race including the Jim Crow era One Drop Theory or to delude themselves there is no such thing as race at all.

I believe the actions of the militant social workers/Leninists/whatever have driven those people to the right, especially those who are immigrants and do not wish to have to join some outdated, never really was category that was set up to please the Black Brahmins who wish to have more bodies for their identity politics. Not everyone wants to wear FUBU, spout NOI racism, and terrorise immigrants.

I know of one woman who is well known in the movement, and I read her postings/articles many, many places. She is creole and always complains about "marxists" and "the left." The funny thing is, she writes articles that at times sound as though Marx wrote them. She once wrote an article talking about how slavers actually controlled the USA at one point and wanted to spread it all over the nation on a class basis. Marx wrote on that very thing during the Civil War, but if you told that one of those people who have been conditioned by the media that the "Marxists" say that the cause of that war had nothing to do with slavery, they would disbelieve you most vehemently.

The hyphens are merely a way to have people divided into neat little boxes for their easier manipulation by the elites who run this country. Again, it's like the tribalism in Iraq. Keep people fighting along catagorical lines, and you can keep the nasty talk about class hushed up for a few more generations. The "African-American" label really only serves to promote the anti-socialist idea of "the other," one that helps to keep workers apart, as it is the only one used for separative purposes.

I agree that the so-called left, I consider myself politically left but non-Leninist/Trot/Fabian/Etc., can't get rid of old catagories, that would deny their vanguardist purpose in life. Imagine if the workers actually united and threw out the liberals and their reactionary allies!!

As for affirmative action, more ways to avoid class. It was progressive when it started because it helped to bring blacks into higher positions, into areas they had been denied for racial reasons, but it could never become anything else than bourgeous. To promote it now promotes the lie that nothing has changed from the Jim Crow era, which is a lie of course. "Reparations," who would pay and who would get? Would someone who is mulatto pay themselves? Would someone who is a black African first generation American get money from someone who was white who had ancestors that were slaves? Where would the craziness stop? I'd bet the reparations nuts would have second thoughts about one-drop if reparations did come about. With less people, less division of money!!

mikelepore
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Posted: 12 Jan 2007 08:12 pm Post subject:

questing, what's your opinion about the Israel-Palestine situation? I hold the opinion that the genuinely progressive position about that region would be the demand that every individual should have the right to live on any block in any neighborhood -- which I hear no one else except for myself proposing. The idea to balance the Jewish state with a Palestinian state is a segregationist idea as well as a theocratic one. I don't see how integration could have been the appropriate goal for Alabama and Mississippi but not for Israel and Palestine. If anyone on TV or in the newspapers has ever suggested this, I missed it.

questing

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Posted: 12 Jan 2007 08:32 pm Post subject:

You've never heqrd of the "one state solution?" That is a state encompasing ALL of Historic Palestine with all people living there. It's all over the net and in the foreign press. You need to get outside more. :lol:

mikelepore
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Posted: 13 Jan 2007 08:57 am Post subject:

I assumed that the idea exists out there in some literature. I've never heard a politician mention it in a speech. I've never heard a CNN commentator mention it. I've never heard it mentioned from the podium at a protest event. One state solution -- hmmm -- actually, I'm in favor of abolishing all boundaries on earth, and establishing a world government. I generally suggest things without regard to the (im)probability of their attainment within the next hundred years. Either way, a world government, or a one-state solution for the land near the Mediterranean, for the individual and for a family one of the things this means is the right to live in any neighborhood, on any street, with everyone in the neighborhood sending their children to the same school. In general, I have no use for assigned groupings. To call me an American makes no more sense to me than to call me a Capricorn. I consider group labels to be symptoms of human alienation from nature. *** How about that official list of all the "races" which is used by the U.S. Census Bureau: Hawaiian, Samoan, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc. Yes, not even affiliations according to national boundaries or even geological features, but "races". Reference: 2000 census form - http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d61a.pdf ... I think it's all pseudoscience. In filling out census forms I have always written "human" in the OTHER box. So far the officials haven't carried out their threat to jail people for doing that.